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From Setbacks to Comebacks
Ep.64 From Setbacks to Comebacks
What if facing setbacks could be your biggest opportunity for growth? Join us in this episode of the Go All 1N podcast as we share personal journeys filled with challenges and triumphs, redefining what it means to be resilient. Through personal stories and insights, explore how Notre Dame football, family support, and even unexpected text messages can teach us about motivation and perseverance.
Reflecting on highs and lows, we shed light on the unpredictable nature of professional sports, including the emotional rollercoaster of the NFL Draft and the journey with teams like the Cleveland Browns and New England Patriots. Our experiences reveal the importance of community and tough love in achieving personal and professional growth. By reframing setbacks, we learn to transform adversity into opportunity, emphasizing the crucial shift from "why me" to "what's next."
In our concluding thoughts, we celebrate the power of vulnerability and transparency, fostering a supportive community willing to share stories of both challenges and victories. We invite listeners to join us on social media and become part of our growing community group, where together, we inspire and support one another on the path to success. Connect, learn, and find inspiration as we celebrate life’s journey, both the setbacks and the wins.
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Yeah, and I think we. Obviously my journey just happens to be in professional sports, but there's things that people go through every single day that prepare them, whether they know it or not at the time, prepare them for whatever God has next for us. And I, just like I told you before, I find peace in that I'm going to be where I'm supposed to be when I'm supposed to be there, and the more that I try and force it, like we talked about earlier, that's what I want and not what's actually the plan for me, and that's a hard thing to figure out.
Speaker 3:Welcome back to the Go All In podcast Another episode. We are so glad that you're here with us today. Thank you for continued support that you're giving us. And, man, the first episode that dropped is taken off. I was like mind blown from how much you know how many downloads we've gotten from it, and I just wanted to thank you. Once I get Braxton on the mic here, I know he's going to say the same thing too, but your engagement fuels this podcast and pushes us to keep bringing meaningful conversations to the table. So we're going to continue doing that. We're trying to make everybody better. That's the goal. So before we dive in today's topic, we got to talk Notre Dame football.
Speaker 4:I told you what did I say.
Speaker 3:That they were going to go to the National Championship.
Speaker 4:Well, I said that they were going to win the Sugar Bowl and they did so. We'll see them at the National Championship.
Speaker 3:So yeah, by the time this airs wells, we'll know if they beat Penn State obviously.
Speaker 4:I was trying to play in my head. When this drops, it's the day of the national championship. That's what I was trying to figure in my head just now Yep. So inauguration day.
Speaker 3:We're playing tonight it's going to be a great day. It's going to be a huge day.
Speaker 4:It's going to be a huge day. It's an amazing day.
Speaker 1:Hey, we got to get past this next one first. Yes. I don't like our track record or the memories of playing in the Orange Bowl, so let's get past that one first.
Speaker 3:I was going to wonder if you're going to bring that up. How could I forget? I know, but I just. How could I forget? I know, but uh, I've just yeah, yesterday 12 years ago yesterday. You want to just feed them, I mean it was cause a lot of people don't know what you're talking about right now.
Speaker 1:Well, I got reminded. A buddy of mine texted me late last night. It was like hey man, 12 years ago today, you guys were playing in the national championship. I'm like, well, let's just leave it there.
Speaker 4:Thanks, appreciate that.
Speaker 3:I can't believe it's 12 years ago already. I know Unreal.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's right because I was going through time hop and there's pictures of us watching the game and getting excited and then not excited, I think there was like I don't even want to watch the highlights.
Speaker 3:I think that's what my post said it was yeah, just I'm not gonna go in we'll save that for another episode. Yes, because I yeah that's exactly why I don't want to talk about it, especially with you right in front of me. So but I mean, dude, that team was. You guys were unreal, you know we had a good squad yeah a talented defense, just like they have now.
Speaker 1:Um you know, offensively, though, I would say that they got some different weapons today than what we had then, but I think that the biggest difference between then and now is the depth that they've created with Marcus and his ability to recruit. They have talent a lot deeper than we did.
Speaker 3:Can I add one more thing, nil?
Speaker 5:That helps. That's a big difference, because now it's even play field.
Speaker 4:That's right so I saw today that um riley leonard's mom texts him you suck.
Speaker 3:Before every single game yeah, he has a wristband on it says you suck on it but she texts it to him as well, so I told andrew, I'm gonna start.
Speaker 4:Actually I said you know I love you, I go, but that's what jake does to you. Basically says you suck, it's for motivation. Yeah, and I told him that. I explained it to him. I'm like hey, it doesn't mean, I don't like. I said you know I love you, I go, but that's what Jake does to you. Basically says you suck.
Speaker 3:It's for motivation, yeah, and I told him that. I explained it to him. I'm like, hey, it doesn't mean I don't like you. Exactly, you know it's just a little button to push to get you going like that fire.
Speaker 4:He saw the video of the mom explaining it and stuff. But it's going to have something but I'm, I'm.
Speaker 1:I hope everything is going as planned in my head here. We'll see. I got you know. I got a group text of 10 of my buddies that I played with in notre dame and they're already booking reserving suites for the national championship game.
Speaker 4:So where's it at?
Speaker 1:atlanta atlanta.
Speaker 4:That's what I thought it's like in the just like south right there.
Speaker 1:So we'll see. You know you can have anything you want in life. You're willing to pay for it.
Speaker 3:So my question is I'm not saying this is going to happen. But what if they don't go to the national championship? Are they still going?
Speaker 1:No, so it was a 50. You got to put 50% down to reserve. That's what I want, and then if your team doesn't make it, you get your 50% Got it.
Speaker 4:I thought you were going to look at me and say, are we going?
Speaker 1:And I said no because I didn't get to go last year.
Speaker 4:No. Heck no, and he was getting a little emotional after the game and I said now you see, how I was last year, why I was crying after the games, because it was very emotional to see that.
Speaker 3:It's good to see those kids dude Just how much work they put in. They're good kids.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's just like when you played. Like I said, I've seen you since high school. I'm like dude, I'm like watch, and it's just seeing you guys like this and then seeing you become an adult, yeah, and then you know my crew, my big afro um, I you gotta understand. There's a tent. What? How old are you? 35 okay, I didn't. I thought it was a bigger age gap, but I guess not 43. But still, I mean, I remember hearing the name Kind of like his grandpa.
Speaker 1:Eight years, that's two levels of school apart.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, that is, if you look at it that way.
Speaker 1:Now, I think after you hit 30, I mean, it's all the same.
Speaker 3:You can stop counting after that. I forgot how. Now, I think, after you hit 30, I mean, it's all the same, you can stop counting after that.
Speaker 4:I forgot how old I was the other day. Age is just a number it is to a point.
Speaker 3:I always say that to a point.
Speaker 4:You can reverse it. Yeah, we watched that on Netflix that was interesting.
Speaker 3:Brian Johnson, yeah, that's interesting you seen it I know, who he is. Okay, he's an anti-aging fella I highly recommend he's very interesting to watch. But I mean, when you're a multimillionaire you can spend the money on all that stuff. Yeah, so why?
Speaker 4:not, he didn't have. It was a hyperbaric chamber which I thought.
Speaker 3:He talked about it, did he? Yeah, but he doesn't have one. I was shocked.
Speaker 4:You might as well, I mean anyway.
Speaker 3:So all right, Before we ran off of that, what did you say?
Speaker 4:Another great thing for update is our group.
Speaker 3:Yes, you guys got me fired. About Notre Dame right now, sorry.
Speaker 4:But no, I'm not sorry, but our group for the go all-in group all-in mentality that's been amazing of just how that caught on. Everyone just is there to encourage each other. You know we've started 75 hard um, not everyone has to do it, but it's you know, no matter what, everyone's there giving recipes or like advice, and if someone's like oh, I'm sick today, it's. You know, no matter what, everyone's there giving recipes or like advice, and if someone's like, oh, I'm sick today, it's like hey, we got you I'm pretty sure there's.
Speaker 3:If anybody has a question about anything, someone in there is going to answer and take care of it. That's what I like to see and it's like. And then I think about what if the entire country was like this, with everybody you know?
Speaker 1:well, we try right yeah with social media platforms. But there's probably more. There's not. Probably there's way more bad than good yeah right people, tearing people down versus lifting people up and trying to bring them along on the journey and the majority of these people?
Speaker 3:I don't, don't know who they are who they are like and you gotta understand too. With everything that's you know slowly changing, cause you see what meta did, what they're doing with back checking. You know that's going away. It's like you got to understand too. These people that are keyboard warriors and you know talking smack to you. You don't know who they are. They also could be AI robots too, so you don't know them. Who cares?
Speaker 1:you know they're not living your life, but I know we got, so we got all these people in the group now and I forgot to tell you this. But the other day I was. I was walking in the grocery store, somebody was walking across the parking lot and they're like hey, I'm part of the group isn't that awesome.
Speaker 3:I love it, that's awesome. And I even told her. I said, dude, I said this just seeing like all the messages and everybody in the group and just you know, helping with each other and everybody's actually putting in the work and doing it, it just gives you chills, you know. It makes you emotional a little bit too, because it's good to see and it's like you know, with you being here and just building a community and it's just unreal.
Speaker 4:In a week we've got about 100 people and he said that Insane.
Speaker 3:He said we're going for 100. I said, yeah, so it's. I think we're over that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, I would say the note that I want to add there is, like you don't have to do, 75 hard to be part of the group. No Right, it's part of the all in mentality and just surround yourself with people on the journey, together and like minded. And there's a lot of people out there who have even said like I just need some people to be around.
Speaker 3:To surround yourself with yeah.
Speaker 1:You know that's a big thing, but like I've had a few people ask me like hey, I'm not doing 75 hard, but can I be part of? The group? Absolutely, yeah, that's. It's not a 75 hard group there's a lot of us doing it, encouraging each other along the way. But this is just about creating a community of of good maybe we should elaborate it a little bit.
Speaker 3:Did we? Did we elaborate enough? I tried on the polls yeah, I just want to make sure we don't confuse anybody, but again, I'm gonna have the link posted. So if you want to join um awesome group of people, um, I mean, most of them are local I can't think of. I mean, who's one that's from texas? I'm giving a shout out, hook them, that's all I gotta say. No, he's not from texas, he lives in evansville. Okay, well, close enough, my buddy kaz. Shout out to kaz. Yeah, we grew up together playing baseball.
Speaker 1:Oh, gotcha he was a stud baseball player, so um, but somehow texas fan he always has been, so it's not a bandwagon thing no, that's good, though good to know.
Speaker 3:Like I said, this group just started and when I'm watching the game Texas game I thought of him. So that's why I chimed in. I'm like, hey, has everybody checked on Ryan? So, and his wife chimed in, so I was like, okay, we're good, because I know what these games do. You know, fans is short for fanatics. You leave when I watch football.
Speaker 1:She's bad, she's, she's one but the house gets very clean yes, um, you know, but speaking of not in town my buddy, I do have a buddy, aaron adams, who's part of the group. Uh, aaron played with me in cleveland he played majority of his career with the green bay packers. He now lives in virginia. Okay, he's part of the group, so I dig it. It's not just a local thing. Anywhere you're at, you know, surround yourself with just the community, make it feel like you're part of that hometown crew it's a team, you know.
Speaker 3:So you guys ready to dive in? Let's get in topic.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm gonna put the the mic close to my face today, so you don't tell me that I'm uh not speaking with my chest.
Speaker 3:It wasn't me I mean, before we start, yet I that's the thing with the editing that I use I'm like, I'm like, how come I don't hear him? And then I I finally looked, I'm like, oh, the mic is further away. But these are good, these are good mics, man, they pick up. So I mean, when we first started this podcast, we had a cricket down here and these mics picked them up. So it's like I can't edit that out. You know, there's a pause between our conversation.
Speaker 4:Or the dog just breathing or snoring, or that too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so air breathes really heavy and you hear that too. So it's just, it just mind boggled me, you know, not barely hearing you, but Well, I'm a fast learner, so it won't happen again.
Speaker 3:Ready happening, ready to go? Let's do it all right. We're diving in um setbacks. So basically, setback to comeback is the title of this, this episode. So we're talking about setbacks today and life has a way throwing curveballs at you. You know, every day is not a good day and basically, what defines us isn't the fall, it's how we rise up from the fall and get back up. So that's what you can basically expect today is we're breaking down what setbacks are, the emotional toll it takes on you and how they challenge us. So, if this hits home, I highly recommend listening to the entire episode, because I know the man across from me has some good stories, deep stories, to tell about setbacks. So, yeah, I mean, I'm going to hand it over. Do you have anything before we dig in? Good All right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. So, when we dig into this, what I would define a setback, as is just anything that changes the trajectory of the current path you're on, or maybe just the pure vision you had for your life. And so, whether it's, you know, personal, professional, you get laid off from a job, um, financial setbacks, marriage issues, um, you know, maybe a bad health diagnosis, right, there's always all these things. That life is just, things happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know so, but but what I tend to fall back on here is that, whether it's, you know, any of the things that I just listed, a lot of those may be, you know, an injury or whatever it is. Whether it's physical or not, it's always emotional and it's always how we handle those moving forward. That, I think, was what we're going to really pay attention to and focus on today. So, you know, hitting on the mental aspect of that, I think once you go through a setback, it's where do I go from here? And you know we we discussed in your mental reframing, right, and how we look at things, and and so in in your, you know, journey of your life, where have you been through this? Or how do you see from the mental side, you know people can take the next step to get through whatever's going on through.
Speaker 3:Whatever's going on, man, I mean from what I've been through, you know, first of all, I mean the stuff that we're going to run across in our lives. They're learning lessons and I feel like, you know, god has a plan for every single person here and we have these roadblocks that we run into and basically, you know also, we have the failures and it's like you learn from failures. So, basically, the setbacks that I run into in my life, you know it's learning from those and you actually grow from those setbacks that you have too. But I mean, goodness, man, I've had quite a bit, and the biggest one that really hits home with me is when COVID hit and my first business that I had, that was a.
Speaker 3:I never thought that would even take effect on me mentally and man boy did it. And you know, I felt like I let a lot of people down. You know that were buyers for me and it's like I also look at it like you know, this is a failure that I'm learning from, but it's also like I also get burnout Because, dude, when you smell like donuts all the time, let me tell you it is just. You know, it's really mine. It really mentally affected me because I don't like to fail at all.
Speaker 3:I'm very when I go for things, I go big.
Speaker 1:You go all in. Yes, I do Go all in Way to plug that one, but yeah, yeah, mentally wise so if, if you can go back to that time where you were at like what, what would you say you did learn from that? Is there anything that really stands out to you?
Speaker 3:I mean, obviously there's probably a lot of lessons, but I mean you cover, you predict, you know it shouldn't have happened. There's no reason why this country should have shut down. Look how many businesses that affected, look how many businesses that closed, look how many people you know. Financially it hurt and I just felt like I did everything I was supposed to do, you know, and this was just the gut. You know, maybe I should just pivot from this, hit the brakes and just see what's going to happen here with with, you know, everything going on, because I did it for, you know, I wanted to be safe around the customers that were buying from me. I didn't want people coming back to me saying I was the reason why they got sick or whatever.
Speaker 3:But I feel like I didn't do anything. I couldn't do anything different to change the situation. Because of COVID, you know, because they've they basically said no, you can't do anything, you know. So when it's, I'll use Ian Smith, for example. He had his gym in New Jersey and he kept that thing open and look how many finds he got and they kept finding them daily on it and came after him but eventually got dropped here recently, to be, I think, the last couple of few months ago. I'm not precise on that, but I was just being safe with it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I think, if obviously it's difficult to do in the time. Yeah. But if you can be mature enough, right enough emotional intelligence there to just take a step back and ask yourself the question, you know, obviously flip the mindset of what maybe is this preparing me for? Obviously flip the mindset of what maybe is this preparing me for? And I think when, whenever we go into these, you know, these troubles, these setbacks of life we always look at like what's happening to us and not what's happening for us because you don't see it in the moment and you know the things that I've been through in my life and my football career.
Speaker 1:you know it was. I'll be the first one to admit like I played in my head the victim mentality of like, why me? Why is this happening to me? I put in all the work, I've done the right things. How is so-and-so getting this opportunity? And I'm not Like. That's just where I was. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know, and I try, I just continue to try and like force things to happen. And finally, when I just took a step back and was like maybe this is preparing me for something else in life and I had to make that difficult decision to walk away from football, I mean I was at peace when I finally did that Because I felt like, hey, I've learned from this. This is preparing me for something better. I don't know what it is yet, but I'm going to be ready when the opportunity comes.
Speaker 1:Don't you wish you knew, that's what the fun part is, I think I mean, I think that's the fun part of my job now is that every day something different happens, that you're as prepared as you can be, but you'll never be prepared for everything. I think there's something that happens daily or weekly that you're like well, I never dealt with this one before, but here we are and you work through it and you get through it and you learn something new and now it's on your tool belt for the future, if it happens again, no doubt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's like you know. You learn from your failures. You know that's like the the big thing you learn keep failing and fail and fail and fail, and you learn from it. You have something. I see you, I see your mind going yes, I was taking notes as well.
Speaker 4:Um, because it reminded me we've been talking a lot about control and it reminds me of what we tell my son all the time, because he gets frustrated like the ref didn't call that, or you know, like whatever. And we always say, andrew, control what you can control. Can you know, did you have any control, how the ref felt or whatnot? No, then let go of it. You have to just let go. And there is Mel Robbins. She just came out with a new book called them, called let them, and it is when you let them do whatever it is they want to do, it creates more control and emotional peace for you and a better relationship with the people in your life.
Speaker 4:I can't wait till this comes out. I'm going this is my next book. I've already, you know, want to pre-order that, but it's it talks about because we, you know it's the need for control. You know why we try to control. You know just the backstory of it, how it gets into anxiety when we can't control something and you hit something of not trying to force it. And I've had many a times where you know I want something to happen so bad and you get frustrated because you're like why isn't this happening? And you're, but you're like I'm doing everything right, I'm trying as hard as I can. I cannot fail at this moment. You're like you know what I I'm trying as hard as I can, I cannot fail at this. The moment you're like you know what, I'm coming to peace with it, it all falls into place.
Speaker 4:And that's happened probably in the past seven, eight years. The more I I am a control freak, the more I let go and go. Okay, you know, even my next opportunity of you. Know what am I supposed to be doing in life? I can't force it, it's going to happen. Even though I can say I want this to happen so bad, I kind of have to say no because it'll lead me to wherever I need to be.
Speaker 3:That's pretty much every individual. They want it now. Yeah, they want to know now.
Speaker 1:So, I mean, we've been groomed that way yeah, no, yeah you know I, I hear you know people from you know the generation above me or a couple above me, and they're like that's the problem with your generation is everybody wants you know the instant gratification. I'm like you're not wrong, but we've been groomed this way now with social media and Amazon, and you just click and buy and you get it today or two days later.
Speaker 4:The fact that Amazon is more today and not overnight anymore, my gosh Right.
Speaker 3:It's not prime anymore, it's not prime. What.
Speaker 4:No one understands, even with Netflix, and sometimes it's like you have to wait until the next week to watch an episode oh yeah, they have the release dates now. It's like I'm like us, we're our generations yeah, but now it's like what do you? Mean yeah I can't just binge it in seven hours.
Speaker 1:That's a problem, right you know, I'd you know, if we look into this, there's some key ingredients to making a comeback. For me, though, I would say we just touched on this in our last episode of what are your core values, because I think that's kind of the foundation of how you attack, you know, moving forward, but I think, outside, maybe some of these that we're going to talk through are in your core values, but I think these are the key ingredients as you move through, and that's vision of knowing what you want to achieve, the grit to stay committed despite obstacles, discipline in that a support, leveraging the group of people around you who are going to lift you up and bring you through it, even when you don't feel like it. You've got to have people. And then the last one, you know, building up resilience between your mindset, support systems, like we just talked about, adaptability, and then the persistence to pursue it every single day, and I know you've got some magic you want to add to this.
Speaker 3:Dude, I mean you've nailed all of them. But I mean, but the persistence, yeah, it's not a one-time fix, it's a lifelong skill that you have to keep doing. Like you were just saying before, they want it now. Yeah, persistence is key and it's just consistent persistence and and they're off. But resilience too, I mean that's like one of my favorite words. I mean, just even saying it, resilience is just, it just has power behind it and that's just built. You know, through your mind, your, your mindset shifts. But yeah, you've nailed all every damn one of them. I can't add anything else in because you pretty much just I'm like okay, but like I said, persistence is like the main one, that is, like my top one on this list Because, like I said, it takes a long time and like I'm 43 and I'm still not where I want to be and it's just a long road and it just keeps going until you know you hit that sweet spot.
Speaker 4:So I want to add in one thing about. You talked about community and it's, you know, to have people around when you're going through a setback. You also need tough love and get through it. You know you've got to have those people in your corner. That's going to tell you how it is. I have a friend. I was talking to him today and I wanted a favor, but it was like 10 minutes of me backstory and he was like, so get to the point, what are you asking for? And I'm like, well, I mean, if you could. And he was like, just ask that. And I'm like, okay, sorry, but you know, and he, he's one that and and jake's a great one too of he'll tough love. I need it because, um, it's not gonna feel good. It's and I do it to you too.
Speaker 3:It's um the reason I do it is because it's been done to me all my life, my mother, all the time, every time yeah so it's just, it's it's grained here, you know, and that's that's who I am yeah, and it's um and it works it does, it does and again it.
Speaker 4:The word love is in there, so it's not malicious, but you have to have those people going. You know what? Yeah, you get your head out of your ass and you're acting. You know you want to give all this up. You want to throw it away? Fine, if that's what you want to do, then do that. Um, it works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, you have to have someone who's willing to speak truth.
Speaker 4:Yes, you can't have a yes person.
Speaker 1:You can't. I mean, it's nice to have.
Speaker 3:That right there is that a yes person Having a no person in your circle perfect, because that's a rarity. So sorry to interrupt you.
Speaker 1:I think we all know who that friend is in our circle. It's great to have some of the yes people and they their cheerleaders, and pump you up and keep you moving. But if you don't have the one person at least in your group that's going to speak truth into you and tell you when you're making bad decisions or when you need to get your head up, you're just going to keep continuing going down the same path and it more than likely is the wrong path and it's going to lead you right back to where you don't want to be. But you don't even know it because you have these other people telling you oh no, you're doing great, keep doing what you're doing. The worst advice ever.
Speaker 3:Yep, but basically what you just said, I heard on a YouTube motivational video. But basically what you just said, I heard on a YouTube motivational video, but he, with what you said on top of that, he said I'm sick of hearing the new year new. You like a broken record with a hole in it. And that was added on top of what you just said. You know, and I was like that is the truth, cause it's. It's like you see that all the time social media, you hear it. It's just like, like you said, a broken record until you have that that person, because I feel like you need to support, because no one can, no one can do it alone. Do you? Do you think anybody can do anything alone?
Speaker 1:no, but I would say, I mean, there are success stories yeah, right, yeah to me, those are some of the most amazing people people because not everyone has a group, not everyone has a community, and some of these people who have been able to pull themselves out of dark places alone, those are special people and it's very, very rare. You hear way more success stories of people who are surrounded by a good group or at least one person that could walk with them. But the the people who do it alone, the the failure factor there is way higher. But you find one of those people that can, that comes out of it. They do some pretty amazing yeah things.
Speaker 3:keep them in your circle, man. This is good. I'm sorry to stop, but this is really good. I'm liking it so let's get into some real-life stories.
Speaker 1:Obviously, you just shared what you had to go through with covid and business and pushing through that to where you're at today with the be better brand and and the awesome things you're doing there. But I want to hear to get to get this thing kicked off.
Speaker 4:I want to hear from from jack and the producer of, uh, some tough things that you've been through yeah, well, I've you know I won't start at the beginning, but I always got to throw in my, my craigslist um. I don't know if you've heard of my um, my roommate, my craigslist roommate, um this is great.
Speaker 3:This is during the time you could do this it's 2005, so after after college.
Speaker 4:Um, it was one of those 2005 I'm gonna'm going to go live in California. I was living in Seattle at the time and I had no money and before I was going to go I got a letter from my mom basically telling me you're a failure. Why would you do this? You're going to be nothing. You know, I still have it today. And of course I I went and um lived in a hotel, didn't have a place to live. Um went on craigslist and found a guy and rented a room um for 950 dollars. In 2005, um rented a room in his condo.
Speaker 3:How big was this room, by the way, for $950?
Speaker 4:So it was there's like a living room and one side was like his area and then on the other side was my. We each had our own bathroom. We shared a kitchen, but he had a cat. I had a couple cats, that's when I was a cat person, but yeah, so I did that for probably like three or four months and then I'm like I can't afford to live here, like I'm not doing anything I wanted to do.
Speaker 4:Found an internship at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I had worked for the Seattle Sonics in college and the guy I interviewed, with very similar background, the next weekend I packed up and moved to Indianapolis, didn't know a soul and lived in the hotel at the Speedway for a while. So I was used to doing a lot of things on my own. My dad supported me the best he could and my dad was a jazz musician, but you know it was I didn't have any.
Speaker 4:My family was was like just kind of stopped talking to my family, not in a bad way, it's just I I wanted to go, do what I wanted, but, um, fast forward, um, I I got married, um, and that was kind of, you know in your 20s like hey, I, I'm gonna do this I want to get married and you, you know all these different things and unfortunately, after a while it didn't work out. We moved back here and moved closer to family and within you know, things started to unravel In that time period. I lost my dad and who is like my support system, and sometimes you just have people that don't know how to deal with that and, um, sometimes you just have people that don't know how to deal with that. Um, and after that, deciding to you know I could have had stayed in, that we're still very good friends. Um, you know we're always there to support Andrew. I could have stayed and kind of lived a status quo life.
Speaker 4:Um no offense to him. But, um, I wanted more and so I left our brand new house. I left everything that I could have been comfortable with and started over by myself, and there were a lot of really, really dark times of what am I doing. But you know, you have, I have Andrew. That got me through a lot. I mean to the fact where I was living in an apartment and was in way over my head because I was spending money like I still had two incomes. And I'll never forget it was a Friday going into, it was Good Friday. I was going into Easter.
Speaker 4:We came home, andrew and I, the garage wouldn't work and we're like what's going on? They shut off my electricity and he's like why aren't the lights? He was like four or five, you know why aren't the lights turning on, mommy, I don't know. I'm in tears because it's going into the weekend and I'm like, well, I can't even afford to go anywhere. And luckily we got it, got it back on. But you know how do you look at your five-year-old and say, mommy doesn't have enough money to turn on the lights. You know, there was a time where I just I looked at declaring bankruptcy because I was in over my head. Those were dark, dark days. An eviction notice on your, on your apartment door, things like that are the lowest of lows. But then you look at this little kid and go. You know what I'm going to do whatever I can. I'm really good at selling things on Marketplace, but you know you do what you can to survive.
Speaker 3:Got to hustle.
Speaker 4:I hustled and I did it. He wouldn't know Another. Probably one of the last setbacks was it was his birthday and I didn't have enough money to take him anywhere. So I sold a bunch of clothes and, um, before I picked him up from school I sold some clothes, got cash, picked him up and then I took him to olive garden and then we went to target and he picked out some toys. He would have never known that I had to do that before.
Speaker 4:Hollow Garden breadsticks, though that's his favorite, but it's those things where you're in your setback, going. I don't know what I'm going to do, I have no idea, but you figure it out and I've had a really good comeback and I'm so glad I went through those things to get to where I am today. Is it where we want? None of us are where we want to be. We're always wanting to continue to grow.
Speaker 3:We want more growth. We want more.
Speaker 4:I wear those scars proudly. I'll say that. And here we are today.
Speaker 1:Well, well, I can't top that, so we might as well just stop here and I'm very transparent about it.
Speaker 4:You know I don't want people. You know it's my.
Speaker 1:I'm not a highlight reel on social media at all no one can learn anything from someone who can't be transparent 100 so I'll tell you guys.
Speaker 1:You know we'll get into mine here. So when I came on the podcast, you know, a year ago or however long ago it was, I told a little bit of this story. But I kind of want to go a little more in depth of and we've talked about my nfl journey and a little bit of what that looked like, but to give people a little bit more of a backstory here of how my, my draft journey, my NFL journey, went. You know, coming off the 2012 season at Notre Dame finished a year in all American, you know, had these really high hopes of, you know, being a top three round draft pick, and the big thing at that time was my childhood dream was to go to the NFL Combine. Just as a kid, I can remember watching it, spending the whole weekend on the couch watching the NFL Combine. And so we finished up the season, I signed with my agency, I move out to Southern California and we start training and I was asked. I got invited to play in the senior bowl. So go out to Mobile, alabama.
Speaker 1:Mobile to the senior bowl and while I was there that week of practice I ended up getting hurt and partially tore my rotator cuff tendon, had a, you know, a very average week. I think anyone who had watched all my film prior knew something was up but obviously didn't want to tell anybody anything that was going on. So we get through, you know, get through that week, get through the game, go back to California. I'm rehabbing Well, the you know, and I got my invite to the NFL combine. Well, because of this injury.
Speaker 1:Um, I had to declare what workouts and things was were I going to do and there was a lot of hype coming up to this time because, you know, people loved, you know, the local reporters and people loved to always tell stories about me in the weight room. I grew up in a household where my dad was a bodybuilder. We had the weights in the basement, like that was our life, and so naturally I was always really strong and people really clung on to my bench press number and people really clung on to my bench press number.
Speaker 1:So at that time I was a 525-pound bencher and there was a lot of talk kind of hype, leading into the combine that I would be the one to break the 225 record, which was which was 49 at the time and leading up to that I I had gotten 46.
Speaker 1:So you know we're thinking, you know with a little more. You know the energy of being there on stage. You know some pretty strict um programming. I'm training like you're going to be able to do this well. Injury happens.
Speaker 1:I couldn't, I couldn't lift the bar and so I had to declare that I was not benching, which, you could imagine, raised a lot of red flags and some eyes like, well, okay, what's going on here? So go through that whole thing. And a lot of people don't know the behind the scenes of what the nfl um combine is like. Right, you see what's on TV guys doing three-cone drill or bench press or running the 40, but it's really you're there for three days prior to when you go on TV and it's. You know they're doing all the medical checks. They're waking you up at, you know, 3.30 in the morning to go and do your piss test for drug testing, and they kind of do these things to kind of mess with you a little bit, a little mental thing. And while I was there I had to go through probably eight different mris and so they they back in all of these mri mobile mri units and um, you know every team can order whatever they want for you.
Speaker 1:So you go into this big conference room and every team has like their tables and they're pulling on you, picking on on you, pushing on you, doing all these things testing. Then they can order whatever scans they want, and I think the seventh seventh out of eight teams that ordered me MRIs found my injury, and so it wasn't an injury that I had to have surgery with, but there was a lot of unknowns of what it would take to heal this. And you know when you're talking drafting guys in the NFL, you're talking about. You know multi-million dollar investments into somebody and so get through that week. You know, nothing really came from it the meetings went well, everybody was cool, you know.
Speaker 1:So draft day comes, and leading up to it, you know it was me and another center who were kind of the top couple of guys in the draft and and the I wasn't. I had no expectation really to go in round one. Obviously, that just that's a bonus and a huge blessing if that happens. But, rob, but in round one the other center got drafted. So I'm like this is awesome, right, he's off the board, that's a guy out of the way. So round two, maybe three, we'll see where our destination is going to be. So second day comes, round two and three, and no call. And so that was on Friday. Round one was Thursday, two, three was Friday, and then Saturdays four, five, six, seven, and so you know I'm super antsy, anxious, you know. Just there's so much there that you've worked so long for. And so me and some of my buddies, you know we went to go play golf Saturday morning. Just get my mind off of things.
Speaker 1:And while I'm out there playing golf, I get a call from the New York Jets. I'm like hey, brax, you're our top guy on the board. If you're still there when we get our pick, you're our guy. And so at this point we're celebrating, we're having fun. We threw our clubs back in the bag, loaded up, went home. Well, meanwhile that day we had probably close to 100 people at the house for a draft party. We're thinking four, five, six, seven. There's no way I'm not getting drafted, being a three-year starter, Notre Dame taking a team to the national championship.
Speaker 1:The Jets pick comes up in the fourth round. They don't take me and I'm like all right, you know that's weird, but you know things change on the draft board as guys come off, so stuff happens. You know. Fourth round goes. Fifth round goes. I'm calling my agent. I'm like dude, do you think I'm going to go und gonna go undrafted? He's like oh no, like just hang in there, like everything's gonna be all right. Sixth round goes by nothing. So here comes the seventh round. At this point, like, I'm already like defeated, like yes did.
Speaker 1:I still want to hear my name called, absolutely, absolutely, but not, it was nowhere near what I thought I was going to do. And so seventh round comes. You know it's getting ready to start and I get a call from the Atlanta Falcons and they say hey, brax, we got two back-to-back picks here in the seventh round. We're going to take you in a left tackle. Do you have any family at the house?
Speaker 1:I was like, yeah, we got like 100 people here and he's like that's awesome, you can let them know you're going to be an atlanta falcon. Well, thank god I didn't say that you know, because one I want it to be a surprise in the moment and um you know, the pick comes up and they draft a safety. They actually drafted zeke, who was my teammate at Notre Dame, so obviously super excited for him and the opportunity and I'm like no big deal, there's another pick behind it. They ended up. I believe they took another safety, and at this point I'm like.
Speaker 1:I'm broken, you know. It's like I felt like I had just everything that I had worked for my whole life, from starting to play ball in third grade, nine years old, to now was gone for a while. And so I kind of drift off to my room and at that point I'm getting calls. You know, all the teams want to sign you as an undrafted free agent because they're picking the top guys that are left. They know they're getting you an extreme discount, yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm in my room, my agent gets there, I have all this going on. I don't even know what to think, what to do. So my parents come up to my room and they're devastated. You know they they've put the years, the travel, the time, the money you know all the things like money aside. They couldn't care less about that. But you know there's all these factors that go into it. They're just.
Speaker 1:They're probably more heartbroken than I am oh yeah, for sure and, honestly, the thing that hurt the most is I felt like I had let so many people down and I, in that moment, had to make a decision. And, thankfully, the decision and the words that came out of my mouth to my parents was look, no matter what, happens today like I'm going to make this happen, happens today like I'm gonna make this happen. And you know my agent and I, we go through the list of rosters to see where you know of the teams that are calling what's gonna be the best fit moving forward, and we landed on the cleveland browns, which was like no, no way in hell, I didn't, I never thought I'd be playing in cleveland.
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously, if they drafted me you go where you go.
Speaker 1:But I willingly chose to go play for the Cleveland Browns because at that time Alex Mack was their center. He was coming into the last year of his contract and we saw it as a good opportunity that he would probably want to leave to seek a bigger deal. And so a couple days later I go to Cleveland, I signed my contract, I'm going through um OTAs and rookie mini camp and you know all the things and and go through the preseason and had a pretty good pre-season um. One thing that really hurt me was, you know I say this, I was small yeah for my position, you know I was 6'3, 315 pounds.
Speaker 1:Most most interior guys outside of a center are 6'5 to 6'6, you know 320 so I had a you know a disadvantage when it came to that. So I pretty much could only play center, and so I got into camp there, had a great camp, and then on the final game of the preseason we had a couple injuries and they ended up bringing in some veteran guys and I was one of the last guys to get cut. So then it's back to you don't know what the hell is going on.
Speaker 1:And pack up all my stuff in my truck, drive home. Again, like we talked about earlier, the unknowns. The next day I get a call that I got signed to the active roster in new england which you go from cleveland to new england, you know, you think big difference.
Speaker 3:Hit the jackpot yeah and um, you know.
Speaker 1:So I go there. You know I'm at that point. You know I sign a contract with new england. I'm there with you know. One go out to the practice field and Tom Brady comes up to me. He's like, hey, man, I'm Tom. I'm like, yeah, I know, I know who you are.
Speaker 3:Isn't it funny that they do that. I'm stopping you.
Speaker 1:Isn't it?
Speaker 3:funny that they do that, but I mean, that's just, I mean he.
Speaker 1:Tom is like one of the best dudes I yeah um, you know he was like hey, man, I'm tom, you know, welcome to the squad. Like let's go work on some snap counts, and like he treated me no different than I was a five-time pro bowler and so like the highs and lows of my experience into that first year, you know, and and I wouldn't trade it for anything would I have loved to have been a high draft pick and play 10 years in the league. Absolutely I wouldn't be the same guy I am today and I kind of rest on. I think God gives you opportunities that you're prepared for and I don't think I was ready for what that would have done to me. I wasn't mature enough, I really wasn't, and I don't know that I've ever vocalized that. You know I look at some of these guys now with NIL and had I been paid, you know, even just 50 grand as a 19 to 22 year old kid, god knows what I would have done. I probably would own club fever.
Speaker 3:He threw that out there.
Speaker 1:My buddies and I. We joke about that all the time. But um?
Speaker 3:it's still for sale, by the way, but go ahead.
Speaker 1:Um, but I just I. I think obviously God has a bigger plan and he knows when you're ready and it's his plan, not ours, and so you know. To complete this story, you know I went from Cleveland to New England to. We then got released from New England and signed by the Washington Redskins, natalie and I moved out there. We were there for four weeks. We had just moved into an apartment, natalie had just painted an accent wall and I went in that Tuesday on an off day, to go get a lift in and I got released that day. So I call her and I'm like hey, and she was like you gotta be kidding me Like I literally just put the last coat of paint on the wall and finish putting our stuff away. So you know again, community and support.
Speaker 1:One of my best buddies drove out and my parents, my dad, came out, we load up our stuff, drive back home, and I think it was like a day later I get signed back to Cleveland, and so at this point Natalie's like I'm not going, like you can live in the team hotel and I'll come up and visit, but I can't do this anymore, and so that's what we did. I mean, I lived in a town place, suites, racked up, a load of Marriott points and I did that. So we were you know, natalie and I were doing the long distance thing and it was just like, uh, the NFL experience was it was. It was awesome based off of the experience and the guys I got to meet and lifelong friends, but it wasn't a time I look back on that.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed at all, and so I finished that year in Cleveland. That was the Johnny Manziel year.
Speaker 1:So I got to experience the time with Johnny when Johnny was going through the darkest times of his life, and then I ended up signing a new deal in Detroit and finished my career there, which was a great experience, a great team. Coach Caldwell was an unbelievable leader. I loved him. We weren't the team they are today, but to get to spend time and learn and grow as an individual from guys like Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson, those aren't experiences you get every day.
Speaker 1:And had I not gone through the journey I went through, I never would have gotten that exposure. Yep. And so you know that's where the journey came to an end. When my contract was up and Natalie and I moved back to South Bend and you know I had teams calling hey, we want to sign my agent, hey, we want to sign Brax. Um, whenyear deal? One-year deal, one-year deal, but no guaranteed money.
Speaker 1:Different ballgame with that, which means I could have flown out there, been there for one day and released oh he's not the guy we thought we were. Or hey, we have a wide receiver down, we got to bring in another wide receiver. You lose your spot. Living out of a suitcase was not how I was gonna raise and meanwhile my wife was pregnant with our first child. So it made the decision pretty easy, based off of what I had gone through and where, just where we were at in life. But you know, looking back, I wouldn't have all the things we spoke about earlier, those wounds that heal and callous, and you learn, I wouldn't have those without the experiences and the trauma and the trials that I had to go through. So that's what's gotten me to where I'm at today.
Speaker 3:What a hell of a roller coaster ride.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Goodness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you go from thinking hey, I finally got there, to be a knockdown real quick of what reality really looks like. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think we obviously mine my journey just happens to be in professional sports.
Speaker 1:But there's things that people go through every single day that and I think we obviously mine my journey just happens to be in professional sports but there's things that people go through every single day that prepare them, whether they know it or not at the time.
Speaker 1:Prepare them for whatever God has next for us. And I, just like I told you before, I find peace in that I'm going to be where I'm supposed to be when I'm supposed to be there, and the more that I try and force it, like we talked about earlier, that's what I want and not what's actually the plan for me, and that's a hard thing to figure out. Prepare them, whether they know it or not at the time. Prepare them for whatever God has next for us. And I, just like I told you before, I find peace in that I'm going to be where I'm supposed to be when I'm supposed to be there, and the more that I try and force it, like we talked about earlier, it's that's that's what I want and not what's actually the plan for me, and that's a hard thing to figure out. It's a really hard thing to figure out.
Speaker 3:Extremely, and I mean that's the mindset to have you know, it's just.
Speaker 4:I think what really resonated was when you talk about you know and we both said it of we're glad we went through it because there are learning opportunities. Even though it may not be you know the best time, there's always something coming out that you're going to learn from that. You know even an opportunity at work where you know you think all right, this is going to be it. It's not working out how you thought and you're like this is a waste of time when you say that. But then you look back and go oh wait, I learned by being here.
Speaker 4:I ended up learning X, y and Z. I created this relationship. I know much more about this now. That was not a waste of time and you know, really trying to, sometimes it's like trying to get ahead of things, like I want to plan because something may happen, so I want to make sure I have everything in place. Yeah, I gotta let it go.
Speaker 3:I mean, but all the people. You know all the paths of people that he crossed in that journey you know, and is there anything you would change if you go back and go through it all over again?
Speaker 1:No, I mean obviously you look at it and you're like man had, I have been able to be drafted and gotten off to a better start financially in life with maybe a more stable career for the first part of that. Yeah, that would have been great. Yeah. But would I have learned the things I learned and met the people I met?
Speaker 3:probably not right there, and that's that's huge, and that's the part that people don't see in that journey you could always play the what if?
Speaker 4:game, but then I go back and go. But if this didn't happen or this didn't happen, I would have never. You know I play. How did I get to South Bend? That's the you know, I can go back and go out. If I never moved to California and had, you know, just tried that out I wouldn't have moved to Indianapolis. Like you know all these different things that occur in your life you were guided there for a reason yeah, I mean, we would never met brax.
Speaker 3:You know he wouldn't be sitting here right now I would never met you exactly you know. Yeah, he'd be putting that gold jacket on. That's the hall of fame, okay I'll just make sure. I'll just make it sure, thank you but dude, hell, I mean dude, I love and shout out to natalie, dude, exactly.
Speaker 4:Yes, because that, that right. Thank you, Dude. Hell, I mean dude, I love and shout out to Natalie Dude.
Speaker 3:yes, because that right there I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's the behind the scenes things that no one thinks about.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:You know, like I said, every time I made one of those moves it was like a day later. And you know a couple of those times I had mentioned, like driving back to indiana, I, the teams, I a lot of times I would fly. They would fly me home or fly me to another team and she was left to pick up everything yep, you know, between her, my dad and my buddy seth like they were they were the ones left to to clean it all up.
Speaker 3:That's the stuff they don't show.
Speaker 1:Well.
Speaker 3:Like, before you start like the draft part, like the ones that call you and get your hopes up, they don't show that. They show the ones that, hey, we're actually bringing you. You know, bringing you on Because, like, I'm really good friends with Joe Shane, because I went to high school with him and I grew up right down the road from him and he's well, he's the GM for the Giants. Well, because I just like sent to her. You know he's going through some stuff right now, obviously, with everything that's going on in New York, but it's like he's pretty much done, you know, started from square one and he's moved up, traveling out of the bag and where he's at now. And it's like you know to see what he's going through now.
Speaker 3:It's like you know the Saquon going to Philadelphia and everybody dude, like I sent her the post and I just read the comments. It's like you know all the hate comments. It's like you know what you guys get in that office and put the work in, you know. But yeah, the NFL is just that business is just unreal, dude.
Speaker 1:I mean at the time, you know, like speaking of Joe, like he was making the right move that he felt was.
Speaker 3:Exactly the right thing to do at that time. He has a vision.
Speaker 1:And the right thing to do at that time. He has a vision and sometimes it doesn't work out. I mean, look back at any of our lives. Just because we weren't in the spotlight at the time any of us, if somebody had a camera in our face and was documenting what we were doing, there'd be a million different things that people could go to town on us on social media. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Well, speaking of social media.
Speaker 4:So the Isaac isaac rochelle um yes I was following him and allison and um, she gave us the behind the scenes of kind of his last you know few teams of you know. I think she broke down on one of the last couple ones where it's like again she had moved, put everything away, finally had made friends with the wives, like, and then he gets cut and she lost it and you know, and it's like I felt so bad, it's like you don't see it because he's like he's gone, she's like I have to pack all this by myself. So every time you talk about natalie, that's um, that's the visual I have of, because I saw that play out on social media and it's tough yeah, and I think it it's.
Speaker 1:It's extremely difficult on NFL wives and girlfriends because it's one I think. Girls have a harder time building those meaningful relationships where us guys like you get in the locker room you have built-in friends. Well, at that level you almost become afraid to make friends because the next day I might go in the locker room and Joe's locker's cleaned out. They're gone. You call her and say hey, you just met Lindsey. They're not here anymore. You become accustomed to that as a player. That's not something you become accustomed to as a significant other.
Speaker 3:God man, what that stuff does to your anxiety.
Speaker 1:Goodness.
Speaker 3:It's just you.
Speaker 1:And look at the end of the day people listen to the story like this isn't a hey feel sorry for Braxton at all, it's not.
Speaker 1:It's not that I just want people to understand like I wouldn't be where I'm at today had I not gone through those difficult times. And you know, maybe I don't know, but maybe Natalie and I's marriage wouldn't be where it's at today had we not been strengthened in those moves and moving across the country together and just trying to figure out life as a young married couple just the two of us, like we didn't know anything.
Speaker 3:it was me and her and our two dogs, and every one of those sitting it out, every one of those situations that you went through, like moving team to team, was basically like what you just said strengthening your relationship is basically brick by brick. Every situation was a brick and you guys are brick by brick. Every situation was a brick and you guys are brick by brick building that foundation. And I mean, obviously you guys aren't done building. You know Sky's the limit even further, but yeah, it's done to both of you. You guys are freaking, both awesome people and both strong. I mean, it's obvious, I can see it. You know your gorgeous kids that you guys have. I mean, just the standard that you guys set for them is just look what this journey's done, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I think, just to go back to what you said earlier about like resilience, I think if you take out the NFL portion of this right, so, like my journey, you go here, you're there for X number of months.
Speaker 4:You let go.
Speaker 1:You go here for a couple of weeks you get let go. You go here for a year you get let go. Take the NFL out of that and put a normal career. People start to look at you like what the hell is wrong with you.
Speaker 3:Look at that resume. What's wrong? Yeah, why are?
Speaker 1:you only here for this amount of time. And then. So then, mentally yourself, you're like man, am I just not that good? Like, do I belong, you know? And if you can't shift right and have those resilient moments of like, no, that's, I'm beyond that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Then I think there's a lot of guys that get stuck in that and they go down a deep path and you hear the horror stories of guys that had these moments in the NFL or in whatever sport, and then something happens, knocks them off the path. You never hear about them again.
Speaker 3:Whew, we need to wrap it up, man. This is even, even, even.
Speaker 3:Even Sophie said so, so thanks so yeah, Um man, basically with the listeners, I mean, if you're not in our goal in group group me group accountability group, you need to join, Cause I mean the stuff that you hear from us, I mean this entire group alone. It amazes me just how much help they give each other and I'm gonna have that posted and tagged on, you know YouTube and also the Instagram too, so you guys can join and if you want, you can jump in. Do 75 hard, as what we're doing right now. Some members are doing as well.
Speaker 3:Um day three, we're on right day three I don't know how I'm losing track already. I just do it yep, okay, so um, but I'm coming. So here, the question I want to ask everybody you know what's your story? Is a setback to come back? You know? Share it. Share it with us, don't be shy. I just want to celebrate wins together. That's basically the goal, and do you guys have anything before?
Speaker 1:I think in being transparent and vulnerable and sharing those moments. You never know who you're going to impact. Yes. And you never know whose life you might change. And I think there's a responsibility to all of us to share in that and what we've learned, because, like I said, if you're not willing to be transparent.
Speaker 3:Nobody can learn from you. Truth. You got anything, man. This is a hell of an episode. This is a good one. Um, before we you know, we end it here. Um, if you don't follow us on Instagram, youtube and Tik TOK, youtube and Tik TOK, it's go all in. Um, obviously, the, the I is a one, and, uh, instagram is go all in pod and again, and Instagram is goallinpod, and again I is the one at us. And also, like I said, join the group, man. The more the merrier. You guys are all welcome to join and it's growing. So, other than that, jackie, close out you. Good, alright, good, we're out of here. We're out of here.
